Ben Shapiro interviewed Elon Musk in Krakow, Poland, discussing various topics from business challenges in the West to diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) agendas.
Shapiro said, “One of the things that you and I had been discussing a little bit offline is the fact that DEI effectively is a conspiracy theory in which there’s a cadre of powerful people who are at the top and they control everything else that’s happening.”
“And because those powerful people are at the top, they are exploiting everybody else and they have to be taken down more than one peg. And that conspiracy theory aligns very closely with anti-Semitic conspiracy theories,” he continued.
Musk expressed concerns about the anti-meritocratic nature of DEI and its potential to be anti-Semitic.
Musk replied, “I think DEI is very extremely anti-Semitic in its core.”
“And it’s just generally anti-meritocratic, which I think is very dangerous. You want to have a society where you succeed based on your skills and hard work, and that’s it. And it doesn’t matter about your race, gender, creed, religion, nothing. You know? Just, are you good at your job? Do you work hard? Do you have high integrity? Nothing more,” he continued.
They also touched on declining birth rates and the correlation with religious beliefs. Musk emphasized the importance of exploring the galaxy to understand the meaning of life.
“The birth rate tends to correlate with the degree to which someone is religious, the degree to which they have the least amount of education, and basically the poorer someone is, the less educated someone is and the more religious they are, the more kids they will have,” Musk added.
“So I’m going to make the case to you on a religious level that the only one of those things that is possible to have in the West and not get rid of all the glories of the West is a belief in a higher power or inner religious belief,” Shapiro explained.
“I mean, like I’m doing pretty well, and I have four kids,” he added.
Musk concluded, “In order to [understand the meaning of life] you have to expand the scope and scale of consciousness and get out there and explore the galaxy and then you can better understand the meaning of life.”
The full 50-minute discussion is available on DailyWire+.