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If the United States and respective local, state, and federal government officials do not concede to the wishes and demands of Black Lives Matter, then one of the group’s leaders has said its group will “burn down the system.”

During an interview with Fox News, Black Lives Matter for Greater New York leader Hawk Newsome said violence has become a necessary part of the group’s platform as lawmakers continue to resist (or are sluggish about) change.

As the Daily Wire reports, Fox News host Martha MacCallum aired a video of Black Lives Matter and started the exchange asking what the political goals of the group are: “Obviously people watch what you say in that video, that you now want to shove legislation down people’s throats now that you have everyone’s attention, and you also have said that violence is sometimes necessary in these situations. What exactly is it that you hope to achieve through violence?”

Newsome responded:

Wow, it’s interesting that you would pose that question like that because this country is built upon violence. What was the American Revolution? What’s our diplomacy across the globe? We go in and blow up countries and we replaced their leaders with leaders who would like. So for any American to accuse us of being violent, it’s extremely hypocritical.

It seems to be the hypocrisy of America that when black people start talking about arming themselves and defending themselves, the talk is violent, but when white people grab assault rifles and go to our nation-state capitals, it’s all good.

MacCallum attempted to defend the line of questioning, pressing Newsome on talks that he and Black Lives Matter members have threatened to “burn it down.”

“The only reason I posed that first question to you the way that I did it, I watched you talking on a bunch of different interviews today and you said, ‘burn it down,’” she said per the Daily Wire. “You said it, ‘burn it down, it’s time.’ So that makes me think that you want to ‘burn it down.’”

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“If this country doesn’t give us what we want then we will burn down the system and replace it,” Newsome explained. “All right. And I could be speaking figuratively, I could be speaking literally. It’s a matter of interpretation. Like let’s be very real and observe the history of the 1960s. When black people were rioting we have their highest growth and wealth and property ownership.”

He added, via the report: “When people get aggressive and they escalate their protests, cops get fired, now, you have police officers, you have Republican politicians talking about police reform,” said Newsome. “I don’t condone nor do I condemn rioting, but I’m just telling what I observed.”

He went on to state, “I just want black liberation and black sovereignty, by any means necessary.”

Watch the exchange below:

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